I've had Poser for years. I picked up Daz 4 Studio, as well. I have tried to accomplish something with them, but I've never been successful.
Possibly I lack patience. I load two figures (which, until my most recent Mac upgrade, seemed in itself to place a crushing processor load on my computer), then start trying to make them do something. I turn the stage, rotate the cameras, tweak and adjust.
Eventually, I'll get it to where I think I have the start of something usable, and then suddenly, an arm or a leg will turn in some impossible direction, twisted up like aluminum foil. Or a neck or torso will suddenly explode to five times its proper size. And I can't get it back the way it was.
And then I find myself thinking, "I could have done this freehand with a tablet and stylus, and I'd be finished by now."
Almost all the '3D' art I have seen in the catfighting genre looks like two department store mannequins going at it. Sometimes the figures are exquisitely raytraced and rendered, but they still look mechanical.
Women – at least the women I like – are soft and feminine. In my fantasies, when they indulge their passions to fight, their voluptuous bodies yield and flatten where they collide. What they do not do is join in Boolean operations that look like sculptural welding jobs.
I have never seen 3D catfight art that aroused me in the slightest.
I cannot find fault with your post. I personally like thecatzman's work, especially the sketches he is posting with the new hair tutorial. But you are absolutely spot on with the sculptural welding job description.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Wildebeest. Department store mannequin figures is the way I sum it up too. Not sure I'd apply the word "mechanical" to describe the typical 3-D figure - I think I'd go with the word "generic". The figures seem sexless to me (I've always thought of women wearing pantihose the same way as compared to those who wear stockings and garterbelts) :). Although the figures are ostensibly made to render a 3-D image, the final figures fail to give a sense of realism which a well done cartoon or comic image conveys (think of the snarls and surprised faces you see on Stanton's work). Poser art almost always fails to give you a facial expression you can identify with.
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ReplyDeleteI do not agree. You can create very good facial expression in poser. BUT , a lot of 3d artists use the generic morph "angry" which looks very bad to me. I create my own facial expressions and I can do everything !
But I agree 3d model wich not have "soft bodies", and when you create an extreme pose, or if you bend too much a part of the body (ex: legs), it doesn't look realistic.
But I try my best.
http://www.imagebam.com/image/139a31148028352
I love painting catfight and 3d catfight. IMHO some 3d artists, as brutalis from sublimesavagery.com, create some very good pictures, even if boxing catfight are not my interest.
Thanks for the nod catzman, I try my best! We're trying to go more down the hand drawn route at the moment but I do still pick up Poser and have a go from time to time, such as here:
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Really enjoying the blog Wildebeest, can't wait to read more words and see more pics!
I echo what thecatzman said. It really all comes down to how much time and effort you put into it. It is true that a lot of Poser art is very mechanical looking, but you can do some incredible things with the most recent versions. If you choose the right figures to work with and put in effort you can really create some stunning work.
ReplyDeleteBoth thecatsman and Brutalis create outstanding work versus nearly every other Poser female fighting artist. I have been working with Poser for over 10 years and am finally getting comfortable with lighting and the other technical issues that are required to create a compelling image.
Here is an image I did probably 5 years ago that I thought came out very well. I am not entirely happy about the lighting or the artifacts on the ring tape, but there were some limitations with what could be done when this image was created.
http://mrtzz2001.deviantart.com/art/Center-Ring-180766553?q=gallery%3Amrtzz2001&qo=2
So to wrap things up, like any good piece of art it all comes down to how much time and effort you put in.
I agree that a lot of poser "art" is done too fast and also if you want good results...it's too slow. But I had a site called Fights and Fantasies at one time that Frank Rusha gave me to use. I thought the comics I made weren't too bad and not like Department store mannequin figures ...LOL Procrustes. I also had some on Catfights.com. I guess I can post a couple here if you haven't seen them. It's all about taking the time to make it right...sexy and hairpulling is a must. Plus I used photoshop to do the hair... LOL.
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I think Entropy does a darn good job at the 3D
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